In this essay I tackle the question, did a god write the Christian bible? I set aside for the nonce the question of whether any gods at all exist, in particular one named Jehovah as described in the bible. For purposes of argument, let us presume Jehovah exists and did create the universe. Now is it possible he could have composed the bible in his spare time?
Atheists and Christian have arguments like this:
atheist: The story of Joshua blowing trumpets and crumbling walls is nonsense. That could not happen. There is no evidence to support that story.
Christian: What do you mean no evidence? It is absolutely certain. It says so in Joshua 6:20
atheist: I am not claiming there is no such a story is the bible. I am just saying there is no evidence it actually happened.
Christian: Don’t be silly. The King James bible, the one Jesus carried with him personally, was written by God. It therefore has to be perfect and inerrant.
atheist: It was written by people, and fallible, ordinary, people at that — people we know very little about. God didn’t etch the bible on titanium plates with lightning or some such.
Christian: Well technically yes, but God inspired them. They were just taking dictation. God would not let them make any errors.
atheist: But there is no evidence for that either. The authors themselves don’t even make that claim.
Christian: But I know with absolute conviction in my heart they did not make any errors. Are you calling me a liar? You can absolutely bank on God’s word. Are you saying God lies?
atheist: But you have no way of knowing that. You never even met the authors. Just because you feel convinced does not necessarily make it so. When I was little, I was convinced the earth was flat. The notion of a spherical earth seemed absurd. How could Australians hang on? My conviction did not make it so. But we are going around in circles. You are just assuming without evidence that the bible is Jehovah’s word, then use that assumption in order to prove it truly is. That is the faulty reasoning of a three year old. You have no reason to believe bible is Jehovah’s word just because it claims to be. Lots of kooks write books that claim to be Jehovah’s word. The Qur’an also claims to be Jehovah’s word, and it has an even better case going for it than the bible. Why don’t you believe that claim too? How about the Book of Mormon? It is as whacky as the bible. Why do you reject the Book of Mormon as the word of a god?
Christian: Don’t be absurd. Of course it is nonsense. It does not have the anointing of fire.
atheist: So apparently we agree that the Book of Mormon is too nuts to believe and without evidence to support it. We differ in that I feel the same way about the bible. Only because of your early brainwashing, you are willing to take it on face value despite its similar flaws and similar lack of supporting evidence. A book making a claim does not make it necessarily so. You are doing that idiotic it is written thing again, presuming anything written down must be true. It no more has to be true that it does it you read it somewhere on the Internet.
Christian: You seem to think you can force God into a box with your reason. God has taken time out of his busy schedule to personally put into my heart the unshakable knowledge that the bible is inerrant, no matter how it looks to God-hating skeptics like you. You think you know everything. You think you can comprehend God with your pathetic little reason. You need deep faith, like I have. The great Martin Luther warned us against closed minded Satan-worshipers like you.
Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
~ Martin Luther (born: 1483-11-10 died: 1546-02-18 at age: 62)
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.
~ Martin Luther (born: 1483-11-10 died: 1546-02-18 at age: 62)
Reason is the enemy of faith.
~ Martin Luther (born: 1483-11-10 died: 1546-02-18 at age: 62)
Stab, smite, throttle, slay these rabid mad dogs without mercy, with a good conscience to the last ounce of strength, for nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful or devilish than a rebel. He that shall be slain on the side of law and order is a true martyr before God, earning eternal bliss; he that perishes on the side of rebellion is doomed eternally to hell. Such times are these that a prince shall win heaven by bloodshed sooner than others by prayer…
~ Martin Luther (born: 1483-11-10 died: 1546-02-18 at age: 62)
What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church… a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.
~ Martin Luther (born: 1483-11-10 died: 1546-02-18 at age: 62)
atheist: I am not claiming I understand god. In fact I am quite sure there is nothing to understand since there is no such thing other than in the imagination of man. I am merely asserting that you have not provided any reasons to presume the bible was written by a supernatural being. You have not explained why you consider the bible different from than any of the other holy books you whose claim to divine authorship you reject. I can’t see any difference, other than you are familiar with the bible but have refused to look at any of the other holy books.
Christian: I’m not a heretic. What do you take me for? Why should I dabble in false religions?
The essential problem is the Christian takes it on faith, without any evidence, that the bible was written by god, that his religion is true and all others are false, even without a cursory glance at anything else. The atheist says stuff and nonsense. I refuse to believe something that outlandish without evidence.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.
~ Carl Sagan (born: 1934-11-09 died: 1996-12-20 at age: 62)
The real reason he believes this is that his mother assured him it was true when he was very young, and without defences against being fed nonsense. Things you are taught that young are hard wired. The Christian feels it is the atheist’s problem to prove the bible was not written by god, since to him it feels obvious that in was. Of course, to the atheist, there is no reason at all to believe such an absurd thing. It is up to the Christian to prove the bible is the word of god. They are at an impasse.
Mathematical reasoning mostly is about postulates and what you can deduce from them. Christians postulate that the Bible is the precisely accurate word of god.
If that were true, much of what Christians say would make sense. Many of the Christian conclusions would follow in hypothetical mathematical universe where that postulate were true. (Mathematicians reason all the time about hypothetical universes where different rules apply.)
But the postulate is demonstrably not true in the real universe where you and I live. The Christians rather insanely deny all evidence that this postulate is simply not true. What is the problem with the postulate?
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