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Defending Noah

Here is an email I received in response to one of my essays.

Defending Noah

J. M. Tasu : : 1999-08-03

There is absolutely no way the atmosphere could contain sufficient water to drown mount Everest. Huge amounts of water appeared out of nowhere and disappeared just as mysteriously. The flood was presumably miraculous, so that causes so trouble. What does cause trouble is avoiding destroying the ark with the firehose streams of water appearing out of nowhere. The rain was supposedly 221.28 metres (242 yards) per day. The most ever recorded is 25.40 cm (10 in) per day.

Nowhere in the bible does it state that it rained for 221.28 metres (242 yards) a day, it just says it rained for forty days and forty nights, it could have sprinkled. With the most of the water coming from underneath the earth surface. The bible also clearly states that the earth was reshaped after the flood so that the mountain were higher and ocean were deeper. This explains how it could sink the highest mountain and where all the water went. (I am not trying to tell you that this is true, you do not have to believe that god is true at all. I am just stated how the bible if taken in a whole is true.

The fact that all the geological evidence completely contradicts both the flood and the massive reshaping of the earth 4000 years ago is irrelevant of course, since God wanted to test your faith by making it look as if the story of Noah were a tall tale. I wonder how well you could persuade me with similar logic that the story of Paul Bunyan and his blue ox Babe, is equally true. Why would God create go to such extreme lengths to erase every last trace of evidence for this flood? You’d think he did not want you to believe this story. Only men did.

The really strange part was the flood left absolutely no record in the DNA (Deoxyribonucleic Acid) mitochondria, in the fossil record or in the geological record.

Absolutely no record?? I have been looking up stuff and have found that their is nearly a 50%, 25% 25% split among scientists. 25% saying a flood happened within the last 15,000 years (which could easily be mistaken for an ice age), 50% saying an ice age has happened (which could easily be mistaken for a flood) and 25% saying that nothing happened.

Obviously a major floods have occurred in the last 4000 years, but that is a far cry from the preposterous global flood that requires water to appear out of nowhere and disappear to nowhere. Your argument is typical Christian dishonesty. You know perfectly well that is a misrepresentation of what the scientists actually stated. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever for the Noah flood and plenty of evidence it could not have occurred.

What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church… a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.
~ Martin Luther (1483-11-10 1546-02-18 age:62)

If I did not understand that last statement correctly please explain it better. I’m not exactly sure how the fossil record could contain other evidence than this.

I will eventually be posted another refutation that goes into the forces involved in that much water and what the physical effects would be. The story is preposterous. period. There is no evidence for it. There is a ton of evidence it could never have happened. The only people who think otherwise are delusional Bible thumpers.

Oh by the way, I don’t mean to sound like an idiot just trying to prove you wrong, I absolutely love your entire website and find much of the information there enlightening. I also think it shows what blind faith so many have in so many things.

Nonsense. The Bible says 2 of every species and 7 of some.. There are 30,000,000 species. You also need plants for food and extra animals for food.

There may be 30,000,000 animals according to the most liberal methods of considering something an animal. But take the dog for example, there are hundreds and hundred of different species of dogs, but they can all be created by interbreeding three different species. Fox, Wolf and another wolf. Dogs are an extreme example, of course, for their ability to evolve over a three generation period is even superior to the humans ability.

Dogs are still all one species. There is no evidence that such a thing happened. It is rationalisation to back up a tall tale. It is just as stupid as if you tried to convince me that Jack and the Beanstalk was a true story.

But take for examples owls. There are thousands of different species of owls but most of them were created by the inter breeding of a single breed of owl (Spotted owl for example) This is a way to explain how so few animals could create such the amount of species we have today. Another great example are beetles, there are hundreds of thousands of species of beetle yet they can all be created by breeding just under a hundred of them.

That is bullshit. Pure bullshit. You can’t create millions of new species by selective breeding in a mere 4000 years. There is no mention of such a miracle in the Bible.

Also with most of your oopsies you are taking a few words out of a whole paragraph not accounting for what was said around those sentences, this hangs the meaning of most of the stuff you have wrote.

I invite you to wriggle out of any of the oopsies by taking a bigger context.

The bible does not say every species, it says 7 of all birds. 7 of every clean beast and 2 of every creeping thing, fowl and cattle. It also says two of everything living thing of all flesh (I have yet to understand exactly what this one means, I have heard that it means animals that are edible and have also heard that it could mean any soft animal such as serpents and snails but I’m not sure.)

OK, then how did all the others survive if the entire world was flooded? How did the fresh water fish survive when the seas rose into their waters?

The best known miracle, the loaves and the fishes is a lie. The fishes were added later, to incorporate the fish symbol. The fundamental miracle, Christ rising from the dead, is even contradicted by the Bible, which states that the people seeing the supposed risen Christ did not recognise him.

Sorry, but I was just reading some of your others pages and I came across this. I was just wondering where you came up with the fish thing being a lie, I had never heard this before. Also why do you say that because people didn’t recognize the risen Christ makes in contradictory? I thought the bible made it quite clear that his face was beaten beyond recognizability? Just wondering, not accusing?

Let’s assume you are right. What evidence then is there that the person those women saw in the garden was Jesus if he did not even look like Jesus? They did not even recognise his voice. That he was Jesus risen from the dead is an extraordinary claim with nothing to back it up — not even a single eye witness account! It is ludicrous that people believe Jesus rose from the dead without anything to back it up. The only reason people do believe is nothing but wishful thinking. They want it to be true because they are afraid to die. The Bible itself shows that no one thought this person claiming to be Jesus actually was. Only through the power of wishful thinking and emotion did each one manage to eventually convince himself this person posing as Jesus was indeed Jesus, despite the physical evidence to the contrary, namely that this person did not look like or sound like Jesus. Finally we have nothing to corroborate the Biblical account. The only similarity was the wounds. Surely if someone came back from the dead it should have made the secular history books too.

By the way I believe you left out the single biggest way to disprove Christianity, one that nearly ever Christian I have ever met has struggled with.

If God is all forgiving how can he send people to hell for the simple reason of not believing in him.

If God thinks Christians have an exclusive handle on the truth, how come he shows them no favours? He ignores nearly all their prayers, same as everyone else. He lets them die in tornados and plane crashes in exactly the same proportions as everyone else. He allows them to be tortured and murdered in the same proportions as everyone else. Are you sure the Christians are God’s chosen people? If there is such a thing I would imagine it would be perhaps someone like the Bushmen who take care of each other and don’t accumulate material goods, in other words, people who live Christ’s message rather than proclaiming it.

The only decent explanation I have ever got from this question is God Expects much to whom he gives much and little to whom he gives little. (pretty lousy excuse if you ask me)

Just something else for you to think about.

Here’s a reply to some of your oopsies as you requested, these are only the one’s I know of the top of my head I will further study the others.

God dwells in light 1 Timothy 6:16

God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12

God is omnipresent he dwells everywhere, so in fact he dwells in the dark and he dwells in the light.

ok. one down, lord knows how many to go.

John the Baptist is Elias Matthew 11:14

John the Baptist isn’t Elias John 1:21

John the baptist was Elias, in John 1:21 the Pharisees were asking John himself who he was, he never claimed to be a prophet or Elias for they were trying to catch him in his own words so to persecute him. John never once claimed to be anything more than a man. Only Jesus and God claimed John was Elias.

Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

… all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 & Revelations 13:10

In Matthew 10:34 Jesus was saying this as a figure of speech to show the law was changing and what he was saying would cause fights between brother and sister father and son.

In Matthew 26:52 Jesus was replying to one of his disciples cutting off the ear of a servant, he was saying that violence is wrong.

In Revelations he was also stating how murder is wrong.

A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children’s children… Proverbs 13:22

Sell that ye have… Luke 12:33, Matthew 19:21 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Colossians 3:2

If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath… he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth. Numbers 30:2

But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven… nor by earth. Matthew 5:34-35

These are example’s of how the law changed from the old testament to the new testament as spoken by the prophet Daniel.

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